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		<title>By: The Greatest Trick The Devil Ever Pulled Was Making People Believe That He Didn&#8217;t Exist &#171; My mind wanders&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://danrough.net/2008/05/16/agile-like-fingernails-on-a-chalkboard/#comment-1239</link>
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		<title>By: danrough</title>
		<link>http://danrough.net/2008/05/16/agile-like-fingernails-on-a-chalkboard/#comment-1222</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right, which was my point, (which I might not have articulated all that well), applying a process is just applying a process, whether it&#039;s agile or waterfall, it&#039;s ignorant to the fact that most people on development teams want to do a good job. Give those teams the ability to be able to define how they think they can do that and let them know the parameters you expect them to be able to work within and let them get on with. BUT be there to support them if they make a mistake to ensure that they learn from it and don&#039;t make the same mistake again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, which was my point, (which I might not have articulated all that well), applying a process is just applying a process, whether it&#8217;s agile or waterfall, it&#8217;s ignorant to the fact that most people on development teams want to do a good job. Give those teams the ability to be able to define how they think they can do that and let them know the parameters you expect them to be able to work within and let them get on with. BUT be there to support them if they make a mistake to ensure that they learn from it and don&#8217;t make the same mistake again.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Ruppert</title>
		<link>http://danrough.net/2008/05/16/agile-like-fingernails-on-a-chalkboard/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilles Ruppert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. On a positive note: we recently finished the 1st phase of a project &amp; it went really smoothly, with hardly any overtime at all. Good thing is that our TPM is always reigning us back in (esp. the client) when we try to go overboard/fall back into waterfall.

Still: educating the customer is very important (which we are trying to do) &amp; implementing all the goodness of Agile in big companies where processes can be lengthy is a challenge at best. Speaking to other developers in other big companies, I can only come to the conclusion that the implementation of agile is really on a per project base &amp; needs to be constantly adapted to satisfy the needs of the project. There is no &#039;One&#039; solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. On a positive note: we recently finished the 1st phase of a project &amp; it went really smoothly, with hardly any overtime at all. Good thing is that our TPM is always reigning us back in (esp. the client) when we try to go overboard/fall back into waterfall.</p>
<p>Still: educating the customer is very important (which we are trying to do) &amp; implementing all the goodness of Agile in big companies where processes can be lengthy is a challenge at best. Speaking to other developers in other big companies, I can only come to the conclusion that the implementation of agile is really on a per project base &amp; needs to be constantly adapted to satisfy the needs of the project. There is no &#8216;One&#8217; solution.</p>
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		<title>By: danrough</title>
		<link>http://danrough.net/2008/05/16/agile-like-fingernails-on-a-chalkboard/#comment-1220</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gilles,

I&#039;ll put a copy of this response against the post any way so if you feel inclined feel free to carry on the conversation there but if not I&#039;ve copied it below.

You make some interesting points, which I think boil down to essentially one thing, that in our haste as a development community to see &quot;agile&quot; adopted we&#039;ve not realised that we also need to manage what is in actual fact a very big shift in the way in which we want to engage with our customers and indeed other disciplines within the development arena (e.g. Business Analysts) and therein why we&#039;re doing it and what the benefits are as we perceive them.

It&#039;s very easy for us to say that we&#039;re going to develop and deliver software in a certain way, it&#039;s an inevitability though that we will hit a brick wall at some point in terms of progressing this any further without educating the customer as you say.

Cheers, Dan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilles,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put a copy of this response against the post any way so if you feel inclined feel free to carry on the conversation there but if not I&#8217;ve copied it below.</p>
<p>You make some interesting points, which I think boil down to essentially one thing, that in our haste as a development community to see &#8220;agile&#8221; adopted we&#8217;ve not realised that we also need to manage what is in actual fact a very big shift in the way in which we want to engage with our customers and indeed other disciplines within the development arena (e.g. Business Analysts) and therein why we&#8217;re doing it and what the benefits are as we perceive them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very easy for us to say that we&#8217;re going to develop and deliver software in a certain way, it&#8217;s an inevitability though that we will hit a brick wall at some point in terms of progressing this any further without educating the customer as you say.</p>
<p>Cheers, Dan.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilles Ruppert</title>
		<link>http://danrough.net/2008/05/16/agile-like-fingernails-on-a-chalkboard/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gilles Ruppert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree with your last 2 posts. The current project I&#039;m working on has embraced agile, with a coach etc, and as developers we really like this. 
It is great to see that you can feed back to your client and adapt to the project on a regular basis.

The main problem I&#039;ve had with agile is the &#039;religion&#039; around it &amp; how some people see it as the &#039;silver bullet&#039; that solves all development problems. Also: clients jump on it &amp; I hear comments like &#039;we completely changed our minds, but we&#039;re allowed since we are &quot;agile&quot;&#039;, without recognising that each change still bears a cost. 

Educating the clients about agile seems to be the most difficult aspect IMHO!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with your last 2 posts. The current project I&#8217;m working on has embraced agile, with a coach etc, and as developers we really like this.<br />
It is great to see that you can feed back to your client and adapt to the project on a regular basis.</p>
<p>The main problem I&#8217;ve had with agile is the &#8216;religion&#8217; around it &amp; how some people see it as the &#8216;silver bullet&#8217; that solves all development problems. Also: clients jump on it &amp; I hear comments like &#8216;we completely changed our minds, but we&#8217;re allowed since we are &#8220;agile&#8221;&#8216;, without recognising that each change still bears a cost. </p>
<p>Educating the clients about agile seems to be the most difficult aspect IMHO!</p>
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		<link>http://danrough.net/2008/05/16/agile-like-fingernails-on-a-chalkboard/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[organisational culture]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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